Band Harmony and the Art of Balancing Life on and off Stage

Ever felt like managing a band is like juggling flaming guitar picks? Welcome to Franklin's Garage to Stage podcast, where we bust the myth that band life is all rock 'n roll glam. This week, we tackle the nitty-gritty of practice schedules, the art of set list organization, and the marriage-like dynamics that can make or break a group. Rob shares his own adjustment story of swapping Arizona's sun for North Carolina's chill, highlighting how the band's evolution requires constant communication and compromise. Listen as we share strategies that not only refine our sound but also keep the band harmony alive.

The creative spark of a spontaneous jam can be magical, and we've got the tales to prove it. From blues-rock jams that unexpectedly became local hits to capturing those elusive moments of brilliance with a simple recording, creativity thrives in the most unplanned moments. We open up about the struggles and triumphs of maintaining punctuality and honesty within the band, treating it as a family where open communication reigns. Our stories of mishaps and laughter, like Dana's Reno escapade or the infamous lyric scattering incident, paint a vivid picture of the band's journey.

Relationships outside the band? Yeah, they're a whole other concert. Young musicians often find the balancing act between band commitments and personal life a challenging riff to play. We've learned the hard way about the impact it can have and the importance of keeping communication lines open with loved ones. Before we wrap up, we hint at a future episode with Eric Bogomil from Reno and share some vital tips on practice space security. Gratitude pours out to our listeners, with a nod to their role in our ongoing journey, and a small call-to-action for those who wish to support us further.

Chapters

• 0:00 Band Practice and Set List Strategies
• 6:59 Creating Band Camaraderie and Creative Jams
• 14:07 Band Stories and Set List Tips
• 23:55 Band Practice Security Measures
• 29:13 Supporting Band Through Contributions

Transcript

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 0:28

Hello and welcome to Franklin's Garage to Stage podcast. My name is Rob Wardrums Franklin. Your host today and my co-host is Dana Thunderbass Franklin.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 0:38

Hey, it's good to see you, buddy. It's been like over a week, man, it sucks. It's been a while we haven't practiced or been together. It kind of sucks, man, how you doing, I'm good. It's kind of weird. It's starting to get cold here. By the way, we're based out of North Carolina currently. I recently moved out here from Phoenix, arizona, so this is all a new ballgame to me. It's like getting cold now and we're in Arizona, it's warm, well, hot, and here it's like starting to get cold. Time changes, arizona time doesn't change, so it's a whole new ball game for me out here now like 5 30 it's like midnight.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 1:15

Yeah, you'll be seeing some of that white powder, hopefully and we're not talking cocaine, we're talking snow should be flying here pretty soon. See not a while.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 1:23

Well, anyway, today podcast is about practice set list and relationships. Uh, first of all, though, I want to thank we've had a couple supporters for the podcast.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 1:35

Absolutely Definitely thank them and really appreciate it. We need that to help get guests, so that's really appreciated. Today, like I said, we're going to discuss practice, set list and relationships, basically the honeymoon's over. I mean we've already talked about you've got a band together, now you've got a place to practice and you know the honeymoon's over. I mean we've already talked about you've got a band together, now you've got a place to practice and you know the honeymoon is over, now it's time to get to work. So you want to kick us off, dana, with what kind of happens, or what should or hopefully would happen in that practice.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 2:06

All right, yeah, I mean you know. First thing is, you know you've got to start thinking about. You know how much times a week are you going to practice? You know is this going to be, you know, every day, two times a week.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 2:18

Three times a week, Once a week a month, you know once, yeah, once a week, once a month, you know, depending on you, know everybody's, you know attitudes and their commitment to the band. So that's you know, and that's a big one right there. That's going to make or break a lot of bands. You're always going to find that there's going to be one or two members that are way more committed than maybe the other people and the other guys just want to come to practice and party, bring some friends, drink some beer and maybe throw some jams together where the other guys are like no, we're going to have a set list and we're going to make this a serious thing. So that's one problem you got to work out and you know, talk with everybody you got to interrupt you here.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 2:56

Don't you miss the old days when we lived in the same house, had a finished basement with our band was there, and so every morning, or basically every day, after work, we go downstairs and the boys come over and we, we practice yeah, that was I mean you know how can you go wrong from having?

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 3:14

you know, and even my job, I think, was two blocks down the street so I you know I walked to work. I'd come home, you know, take a quick shower, walk downstairs, throw on the guitar. I mean it's. Yeah, that was very convenient and really cool so okay.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 3:30

So basically, you're gonna hear a lot of musicians say a band is a lot like a marriage, and it really is, because you're spending a lot of time together, you're getting to know their personalities, they're getting to know yours. Okay, the honeymoon's over, so time to get, like I said, time to get to work. So you need to start working on set lists. You want to think about, you know, in the same tunings, the, the set list that you're working on, you want to. You have to change guitars or or tuning, or you know, you want to keep those kind of things in mind. So any advice on that for me yeah, you know that.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 4:04

You know, with the current band that we're in right now, you know we've got a lot of songs that are either drop d or tune down a whole step, and then some that are in regular standard tuning. So what we're doing is, you know, right now is this, you know our whole first set is, you know, songs that are in standard tuning. Well, we're actually we tune down half a step for everything, but we'll do the whole set with songs like that, so we don't have to worry about you know changing guitars or you know retuning. You know, midway through a set, you know then the next set, you know we'll just do everything that's drop d or tune down a whole note or you know stuff like that I got a question for you which has actually come up with, um, speaking of which you're not going to hear us mention our band because we're not.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 4:45

We're not here to uh pump our band yet. We probably roll down the road, but you're not going to hear us mention our band name. But basically, what we want to do is like help you and you know just from some experiences that we've had but uh, uh, saying that, uh, what do you got?

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 5:07

to say, yeah, I mean, good point it's. You know this is not a self-promotion, you know podcast, like you said we. You know, between the two of us, you know I can't even count how many bands we've been in. So all the you know, like we mentioned before, the trials and tribulations you go through you know with each different band and different attitudes and personalities of everybody. You know, if there's musicians out there that have questions and are wondering it's like, how do you make this work? Well, hopefully we're here to ease the pain a little bit.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 5:37

And any advice you have. I mean, please do shoot us a text or on any of our social media sites, you know, get a hold of us, and we'd be welcome to have you as a guest. If you got an opinion on this, or if you want to just basically explain what your band or your solo project, or whatever it may be, is going through, we'd uh, we'd really appreciate that feedback as well yeah, and speaking of feedback, um, we've had, you know, a couple of comments I won't say a couple, but quite quite a few comments on our, um, on our social media accounts.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 6:06

You know whether it be, you know, spotify, apple music, whatever, but you know we appreciate all you guys and you know I wish I Apple Music, whatever, but you know we appreciate all you guys and you know I wish I can throw out everybody's names out there, but you know there's too many and we appreciate everything that you're saying because there's, you know, a lot of good feedback. And you know, the thing that's really surprising me the most is a lot of this feedback is coming from females, that's a good thing?

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 6:28

No I mean it's a great thing, that's a good thing. No, I mean it's a great thing, but you know, I mean I was thinking you know most of this is going to be guy related and I love to hear from you know, not only female musicians, but the spouses and girlfriends of the musicians.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 6:41

I'm single, by the way. No, I'm just kidding.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 6:44

That's Rob Wardrums Franklin. You can reach him at. Yeah, you know, but you know, keep leaving comments. Yeah, but keep leaving comments. We love it. We read every one of them. And for you that have contributed to the show, thank you. That helps out wonders.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 6:59

Hey, Dan, one thing I wanted to bring up. I've always been a huge fan of either like beginning practice, when you're like everybody's trying to get their sound down and the mix down and our middle practice or end of practice is just jamming. Because me personally, with all the bands I've been in, we've come up with some of our best original material just starting out with jam and that pieces you know, you piece it in the. All of a sudden you got a verse of, you know, chorus and you, you put it together and you got a hell of a song. To me that's, I mean, that's crucial, I think. Even if you're you're all working on a bunch of covers, start out your jam or start it with a jam and you'll see where it goes, because, trust me, you're going to find a lot of good material just doing that yeah, well, I agree and I think you know we've talked about this before where you'll record everything.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 7:51

I mean from the minute you walk into the room until the minute you walk out, because you never know, like I said, one of these jamming's, all of a sudden you're gonna come up with some killer riff or a you know a couple measures that you're like holy shit, that is awesome. We got to remember this by next practice. You know, after a couple of beers or tokes or whatever, no, way it's gone you know, and so yeah, record every single thing you do.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 8:13

And speaking of which, the pre, mid and post music on this episode is going to be from a band I was in. Unfortunately it was without Dana, but it was with another good bass player. His name was Stan Sorensen, but it was in a band called Dose. It's a copyrighted song so we're able to play it on the podcast, but anyway, that song developed from basically just a jam.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 8:36

It was actually an off day, we had a studio, but we ended up just setting up our equipment in the guitar player's living room because for some reason we couldn't go to the studio. I can't remember why at the at the moment, but we just ended up jamming the song and this friend of the guitar players was over there and she had never sung with us before and started just jamming with us and it's. We just all just fell in love with what was happening. We were kind of playing heavier stuff at the time, but this one came across as more of a blues rockier tune and it just felt so good and came together so quick that we ended up working on it some more and recording it and copyrighted it, and a lot of the clubs in the Sacramento area actually had it in their jukeboxes, which was hella cool, to walk into a bar and hear your tune being played.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 9:24

That's everybody's dream right now.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 9:25

Yeah, that was kind of my first experience with like having music public, so it was really cool.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 9:30

Nice and, like you said, it started from a jam.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 9:33

Exactly, it all started from just messing around.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 9:35

Yeah, I mean you know you walk into the studio, first thing everybody's doing is, you know, checking out how loud they are Going through their scales practicing. Exactly so you might as well to get a good mix and see where everybody's at start playing for 5, 10, 15 minutes. Before you know it you've got a tune. I'm pretty sure some of the songs we came up with in mono started that way.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 9:54

A lot of them actually were just me and you jamming because the band wasn't practicing or something, me and you would just jam and come up with a solid bottom end, and guitar player come in throwing something sick to it and bam one of our my favorite songs fool's gold oh yeah, exactly how we did it.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 10:12

That's just you and me jamming before we, before we even had other people audition for us. Yeah, you know, we'd go up to wherever we were playing or even when we were in a funny story. So uh, you remember we went up to Mom and Dad's house.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 10:24

Yeah, we actually killed the guinea pigs because we were playing so loud. Well, that's another whole story, but that was actually really funny, but sad for my mom obviously.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 10:33

That's when you know that the volume's just a little bit too loud.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 10:37

Just a little on heavy Plus bottom end drums and bass. So Plus it all bottom end drums and bass. So you know that poor little guinea pig's ear drums are shattered, yeah, but he went out good. He did go out good. Hopefully you enjoyed what you was hearing. Anyway, what? Else have you got to look out for or do you want to do at practice, buddy?

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 10:56

Well, you know, like I said, you know even before you get to practice. You know you got to talk policies on what if somebody doesn't show up or they're constantly running 15, 20 minutes late?

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 11:09

Hopefully not habitually yeah.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 11:11

That's the point where I think, at some point, depending on how serious you want the band to be, how well it's gelling yeah. You take it like it's a job, it's like dude, you keep coming in late.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 11:28

We're going to look for a replacement, or you're going to show up once a month and that doesn't work for us. That's that marriage thing we were talking about. I mean you've got to be honest with each other and throw blows if you have to, but it's, I mean.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 11:40

And that's where the whole personality thing you really have to. It's got to be a brotherhood, sisterhood, depending on how many people you got in a band females, males but it's got to be a family thing. You got to be comfortable. You can say you know what dude you suck tonight, what's the problem? Or you know why the fuck do you keep coming in late?

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 11:56

You know, I mean, you got to have that kind of rapport with everybody, otherwise it's not going to work, you know, which brings me to another thing that we started doing and we should probably continue to keep doing, and everybody out there it's like, at least once a month or once a week, have a band meeting. You know, before you start playing, sit down for 15, 20 minutes.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 12:18

Very good idea.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 12:19

Yeah, talk about. You know what songs you're doing, which ones you want to work on, problems within the band and just anything that needs to be aired out, and so everybody's on the same page. I think that's a critical thing that everybody should do.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 12:33

I agree 100%, okay, hey, another thing I wanted to talk about is friendships in the band. I think that's kind of important. I mean it's like a sports team. It seems like the more successful sport teams are like the dudes that actually hang out together, get to know each other and just basically become friends. Because if you're just going to practice, just going home and coming back and seeing them again next time at practice, you really don't even know each other and I think you're more of a well-jelled, oiled band if you guys are buddies oh yeah, I mean that way it's easier to relate to each other.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 13:09

And you know, tell each other hey, dude, you suck tonight, man, what's up, you okay, or you know? It's just easier to discuss, just just discuss band things, that I think yeah, oh yeah.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 13:19

I mean, you know, we, we've been in bands where it's I mean hell, even whether we don't even practice, they'll just come over to house and just hang out, you know, do barbecues or whatever.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 13:29

Yeah, make us some food, have a couple drinks or whatever. But yeah, I think that's huge and I think the bands that do that are probably I mean, I've never seen like a census or nothing, but I would guess that they're like way more, way more successful bands actually are the ones that do that.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 13:45

Yeah, because I mean, if you can't do it when you're practicing what you know, what? If you do, make it real big, you know, like real quick, and all of a sudden you're with these guys that you barely know and you're going through the stress of being on the road together.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 13:57

Exactly.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 13:59

I mean that's yeah, you've got to know who you're dealing with.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 14:03

Okay, well, you know what it's time for. Go ahead, give it to me. Oh shit, special segment. This is basically when we're going to talk about something that's either been funny, humorous or or sad. Uh, that's happened to either at practice or live. Dana, let's, let's kick it off to you this time first all right.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 14:21

Um, well, you know, I wasn't really thinking about this until until you mentioned it, you know, a little while ago. It's like, what are we gonna do for the special segment? I was like, wow, what kind of stories I got. And then it just hit me. We were at practice once and this is back in Reno, and it was even before we had a singer. It was you and me, you know. We got a couple of guitar players that auditioned and we had this little studio up in Wells Avenue, second floor office place that we had to practice after 5 o'clock because we were pissing everybody off. And then, you know, we're, we're jamming for like half an hour and all of a sudden we're here and knocking the door. We're like, oh shit, here we go. You know they're telling us to turn it down or whatever. And you know, up up the door and, ah, there's a couple of our nice, friendly Reno cops oh shit, what's going on?

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 15:08

Only to find out that one of our guitar players had a little speaking of relationships, had a little run-in with his girlfriend and got, I think, a little physical with her, and 10 minutes after that we were without one of our guitar players, so know who you are playing with and what they're capable of.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 15:30

That's always a good idea. Know their temperament. How about you? What?

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 15:33

you got Okay. Well, mine was not really a. It wasn always a good idea, know their temperament.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 15:34

How about you what you got? Okay, well, mine was not really a practice one. This was actually one of our first performances with a newly formed band. We had Well, not newly formed, but a band that actually turned out to be a pretty successful band in Reno called Monolith, but unfortunately we had this big show booked and we had a brand-new singer. Basically had been with us two weeks. Hell of a dude named Robbie, hell of a dude Used to be a drummer too. But we basically just asked him hey, dude, do you want to do the show? It's like in two weeks. And he was all on board. So basically, we're doing the show, it's like in two weeks. And he was all on board. So basically, we're doing the show. It's all original, all original material, except for we had one cover song we did in the middle of the set, where there was kind of like a thumping in the background, a guitar, what do you call it?

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 16:27

Just like Just in the background.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 16:31

And the vocalist would use that opportunity to introduce the band members and at that time I would come down from my drum riser and just kind of go across the front of the stage and slap hands and you know, do that kind of silly shit. But anyway, he was such a new singer that he had a lot of the lyrics written down next to the monitor in front of the stage that he would kind of bend down, act like he was singing to the crowd when he was actually kind of like reading a lot of these lyrics.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 16:55

Before the days of iPads, by the way. Yeah, yeah.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 17:02

So basically I came down during this little guitar chugging part in the middle of a song and doing the happy shit and slapping hands and kick his lyrics all over the damn place and I get back up on the drum riser and I just see him down there shaking his head in disgust.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 17:14

And that look he gave you.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 17:15

He just turned around like this oh yeah, you're like oh die, but anyway, that was funny and embarrassing for I guess, me and him. But it ended up turning out to be. It turned out well anyway. I mean, the dude came through with flying colors for not knowing all the all the lyrics and and just acted like he'd been with us forever.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 17:35

Yeah, I mean to this date. That was still one of my best, my favorite shows. Oh yeah, me too. It was just, it was all the bands I've been in, it's still like.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 17:45

Those moments are still my favorite, because we were not only like tight as a band, but we were all buddies and we're just. It was a good time.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 17:52

Yeah, I mean, it definitely wasn't our first time on stage was the first time with this, with this portion of the band, or this, yeah, yeah, that line oh I guess, and um, and we just out of shit, we killed it. I mean, it was it just it felt so good coming off the stage and we must, I don't know. There's probably what three, four, five hundred people in there. I mean the place was packed.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 18:11

It packed, it was awesome, it was awesome. But going back to practices, a big thing, I think too, is having a blend of open and closed practices. I mean, you want to have those nights where you know you want to get down and work on material, but then there's also nights where you always want to loosen up, play your material to your friends and buddies or girlfriends or whatever, or future girlfriends, however it may be, and you know it's kind of a chance to like not only practice your live skills but loosen up and and once again, it's, it's a gelling opportunity. Everybody meeting you know each other's girlfriends and friends and all that kind of shit, and I I think, I think it's an important thing to do in a practice oh yeah, myself you know, and then you get feedback from other people that haven't heard you, oh, yeah, exactly and they can be honest say, hey, you know, hey, this part I really like you know, that song, kind of you know, did nothing for me, but you know, that way you get feedback cool

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 19:44

all right. So, uh, you know. So you're starting to practice and stuff. Then you've got to start talking about set list. Well, that depends. Are you going to be an all-original band? Are you going to be a cover band? Are you going to do a combination of both? First case, if you do a combination of both, you always want to start strong and end strong. Put one of your better songs, maybe one that is really trying to show your style of what kind of band you are going to be. You know, make that your first one coming out. You know, make it. You know, hit, hit the people hard. Then you can do your soft, pretty shit in the middle, you know. But you know, show them.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 20:22

I don't think we do any soft pretty ones?

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 20:23

Well, we don't, but you know and you know in this podcast is you know we're going to talk a lot about hard rock and metal, but you know all of these scenarios. It fits in whether you're a country band acoustic band.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 20:36

You know a dance band, I mean you know it all fits into the same stuff. You know you're still going to talk about set lists. You're going to talk about personalities. I mean it might be a different type of music, you know, maybe different, maybe different crowd, but you know same thing. I mean you know, even if you're a band that's, you know, looking for you know you're doing like dance stuff. You know you want to play to people that are dancing to yourself. You know you still want to start out with a strong song and you know, of course, you're going to end up with a strong song. You know, if you're doing a cover, a combination of covers and originals, you know I always like to put one of your best originals as your last song. That way, you know, people know what you're about and what you're trying to do.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 21:16

Lasting impression, Exactly Lasting lasting.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 21:19

And it should be the best song, not only that you're doing, but your best original song, if you have multiple ones out there.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 21:28

All right, I got this, dana. How long should a set be? Speaking of practicing sets?

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 21:34

I mean typically. You know if you're going to play two, three hours, typically you want to do a 45-minute to 50-minute set list. That way you've got 10, 15 minutes in between to chill out, go meet your customers, go meet your friends, family, whatever you know, go have a shot at tequila, whatever you do in between. And then you know 45 minutes is the standard for what they call a showcase set. You know, if you ever get to the point where you're playing in front of record label representatives or if you're just doing a show where you want to showcase your best, it's. You know, typically 45 minutes is what you're looking at. And in between songs you know there's this thing that's called dead air, dead air.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 22:16

Uh, it'll kill you, and that's why they call it that.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 22:18

You know anything more than 10 seconds of no music. You know there's no reason for it, it's you know. People come to see you play they, they, they, you know. Unless they're they, you know, unless you're a comedian, unless you're a comedian, shut the fuck up. They don't want to hear you.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 22:31

They want to hear your music. You know, I mean you want to introduce the band and you know, and you know a couple quick things. You know, maybe, oh hi, to whatever region you're in, you know, if you're one of those bands that are on the road a lot but more than 10 seconds, forget it I agree 100.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 22:48

We really haven't. I dove into this yet. But an important part of the whole band thing is really relationships, not only with your bandmates but with others. It could be your family, girlfriends, wives, regardless. Learn from my error, oh boy. Spend time. I mean discussing with your relationships, I mean what you're doing, why you're doing it and how it makes you feel. And why you're doing it Because a lot of people don't get it. Even if they met you, knowing you're a musician, they don't get why you're at practice four or five nights a week or why on the weekend you don't want to spend it with them and you want to go play at some little, maybe sleazy little bar.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 23:29

Because a lot of times where are?

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 23:30

Because a lot of times before you're going, to be starting sleazy little bars I mean not to say all bars are sleazy Come on, let's get real. But I mean it's tough on relationships and unless you're honest and forth with them, it really makes relationships tough and I've been through a bunch because that's another whole story.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 23:51

That's a whole damn episode. Actually that's not funny, it kind of is. Anyway.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 23:55

I mean, it's hard on them and you need to take their opinion to heart. You need to ask them, like I said, explain what you do and why you do it and what to expect, because if it just goes on and on, it's just going to cut a deep wound.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 24:15

Well, it's, like you said in the beginning of this episode, the honeymoon's over. Well, we use phrases like that because it is a relationship, I mean the band is a relationship. It's like treat them like you would your wife, spouse, anybody else in the family. And same thing, though, you gotta, you gotta talk to your immediate family members. You know boyfriend, girlfriend, husband, wife. You know even sons and daughters.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 24:43

You know what you're doing, how much it means to you, how important it is, and you've you've got to have their support, otherwise it's, it's going to be a long road for both of you yeah, and, like I said, I've learned out of the hard way, because I wasn't real good about explaining what I was doing, why I was doing it, and just kind of just I made that a priority instead of trying to blend the two, which is nearly impossible, by the way, but it can be done, but I was bad about it and so, yeah, think about it, it's, it's important, it and so, yeah, think about it, it's important. It'll help you in the long run too. It really will.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 25:18

Yeah, and I think you know, this podcast is probably going towards more of the 20 to 30-year-olds than you know and if you're an older guy out there, like you know, like us, you know, I've got a very supportive wife Robin, thank you that.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 25:35

I mean I can go practice whenever I want to and and I've got that support. But you're 20, 30, you know when you're, you're working and you know then you want to throw in band practice and your girlfriend's like what the hell, are you ever going to spend time with me? I mean it puts a serious strain on it and it does.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 25:48

It takes a lot of understanding on on their parts and you know and trust me when, when I say you don't want the girlfriend coming to your practice place throwing your clothes at you, saying get the fuck out. I mean we've seen that happen too. I mean it's just so. Uh, talk, talk to your significant other and let them know what's going on.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 26:09

Oh, good advice, man, I want to throw out there please text us with your comments and any information you may have. That's helpful for other bands as well. We really appreciate all and any feedback. And I got to throw out a little thing about the next episode. I'm really excited because we're going to have one of the first singers that we sang with back in the the reno days, who ended up being pretty successful excuse me, successful in the reno area. He's going to be joining us. His name's eric bogomil, and that'll be our next episode and we're basically going to start diving into. Okay, practice is over, it's hit the stage so and the real fun starts, yeah it does.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 26:53

It really does, and this is something we had experienced with him when we first started out. So we wanted to share our experiences, along with his experiences before and after us, and I'm really really looking forward to it, because he's a cool dude. He's a lot of fun, he's funny, so I think it's going to be an excellent episode cool dude.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 27:14

He's a lot of fun, he's funny, so I think it's going to be an excellent episode.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 27:18

The stories we got with that guy in that band, oh man and then, uh, after that episode, we're going to start getting into, uh talking to bar owners, maybe even some band managers if that's even a thing anymore, I don't know but uh talk to some band managers and uh get some more useful information out to you guys. Um, that's about all I got to say for this episode, buddy. What about you?

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 27:43

All right, well, um, I think another thing I want to talk, talk about and kind of hit up is you know when you are practicing or your practice spot, you know who do you want to have access to. You know access to that. I mean, do you want everybody, if you're in a storage unit, do you want everybody to have a key to just kind of come and go as they want? Or you know, obviously, if it's in a household thing, you won't have to worry about that because you know you're not going to just hand out keys to everybody at your house.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 28:11

But storage unit, which you know. I'm sure most of us are renting an office space or whatever it is. You know certain people are going to be responsible for that and have keys. You know I would keep it limited to. You know, if you're a four or five member band, like most people are, half the people, two, three at the very most. You know you don't want to leave just one person out but you don't want everybody having a key to just go because you know, unless you guys have been together for 10 years and you know them and you know where they, live, just opening up your four problems yeah, yeah, I mean, if you're a new band of two, three months and you kind of know these guys, but you don't, you know you don't want to go in there in a week later and find out that their phone's turned off and all your shit is gone.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 28:53

That's happened too.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 28:55

Not to us. Thank God, Bands like real close to us.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 28:58

Yeah, bands that we practice in the same area, I mean right, real close to us, that have had everything ripped off by a degruntled band member or somebody that knew where all the shit was, I would have cried like a little baby.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 29:10

Oh yeah, all right everybody. Thank you very much for listening and for your continued support. And just to throw it out there, there is a little link on our not our webpage, but on the episode where you can contribute to our continued success. So, thank you everybody, and it's been a pleasure talking to you.

Dana Thunder Bass Franklin: 29:31

Thank you, Thank you, and that contribution, contribution. Excuse me, you know it's less than a gallon of gas.

Rob Wardrums Franklin: 29:39

Exactly Once a month. You can help us out Appreciate it All right. Thank you.