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Garage to Stage Podcast Update

Speaker 1 0:01

All right , well , hello and welcome to Franklin's Garage to Stage . My name is Dana Franklin . I'm actually the co-host of this show , but I'm taking over for my brother , rob Franklin , who's just kind of hanging out right now , and I'll get him going here in a second . But I'd like to say thank you for listening to us on our previous episodes . I want to stress that we are our own podcast . We do everything ourselves . We produce it . We are our own podcast . We do everything ourselves . We produce it . We do all the research .

Speaker 1 0:28

We do all the recording All ourselves , so anybody that wants to contribute and help us out with that would be greatly appreciated . I want to throw a few thank yous out there for new listeners we've got . We are now in 10 countries . I'd like to thank people in Germany . We're getting a lot of hits from there . We've got some new ones in Australia , the UK , lebanon , I think we're on , I mean all over Bangladesh .

Speaker 1 0:57

We appreciate the word being spread out there and it really helps us out . In the next few weeks , we're actually going to be introducing you , we're going to do some new merchandise , we're going to do some giveaways with T-shirts , sweatshirts , coffee mugs , stuff with our logo imprinted on there . So please keep the comments coming to us . You can see us on Spotify , facebook , all the social media sites we're on , so please leave comments and emails . Like I said , we're just two brothers throwing out shit about music and sex , drugs and rock and roll , so let us know all your comments , good and bad . We listen to everything . And yeah , on to you , rob . What do you got to say about all that ?

Speaker 2 1:44

Well , we don't really need titles , but I guess co-host uh , rob wardrums , franklin and I want to welcome everybody to like season two , the first episode , and happy 2025 everybody . I remember back in the day thinking I'd never even make it to this number . You know , when you're a kid it's like , oh , I'm never gonna see that number . But thank god , thank god it , you know , it's come to fruition anyway . Welcome everybody . And uh , basically what we're going to talk about today is , uh , well , I'm going forward is okay , you've already done a couple shows .

Speaker 2 2:17

Now we're going to like start redefining , like our set list , talk with each other about the do's and don'ts of crowd interaction , uh , stage presence , uh the things you've learned from the bar owners and how to apply it to like your next shows and then getting the right crowds to your shows . You know , you know working social media to make sure you got the right crowds . You know , don't just say you're like metal . I mean you got to kind of redefine it now , because it's so many different like genres of metal . You kind of got it . Yeah , I mean somebody may want to come out and see , like you know , growling kind of metal and you're doing like more melodic kind of shit . So you really want to make sure that you're presenting yourself to what you really fucking are you ?

Speaker 1 2:59

know , yeah , no shit on that , because you know it's like I don't want to go to a bar and somebody's saying that they play rock and roll or classic rock and all of a sudden you're hearing people playing country or other kind of shit . I mean just to say we are more rock , metal-orientated guys . But all of this advice and stuff applies to whether you're country , pop , top 40 , dance , you know , whatever kind of music you're doing , we appreciate it all and we know you know artists as a general , musicians , the dedication it takes for you to . You know get your craft going and get the band going . So you know nothing personal if I talk shit about country or something else , but not my cup of tea . But you know , like Rob was saying , you've really to know what kind of crowd you're playing to and what kind of crowd you want to come see you .

Speaker 2 3:48

Yeah , yeah . And another thing I'd like to do in this season is we've talked about garage to stage and the process , and basically Dana and I are doing the same thing right now . I mean , we've in the past , done all this , but now we're kind of like starting all over again , which is really cool . I mean , you know , we both kind of took a hiatus from music for a while , but now we're we're to the point where we're auditioning and basically starting a new , a new project . So we want to kind of keep you updated on on how we're doing as well and you know the kind of steps we're taking and , and you know , just kind of keep you up to date on what we're doing , if that's cool .

Speaker 1 4:28

Yeah , it's a it's . It's fun to start the process all over .

Speaker 2 4:32

It is , it really is , it's real cool .

Speaker 1 4:34

I forgot all the . You know the , the fun that goes along with , you know , auditioning new people . You know the nervous energy you get from . You know I'm going to be good enough for this guy . Or you know , is this guy going to suck compared to us ? Or you know just the stuff that you don't know and you know just for all you listeners out there to know . You know we follow our own advice of what we're telling you .

Speaker 1 4:56

It's you know with this . You know we actually auditioned a new guitar player yesterday and instead of us just saying , okay , here , show up , here , play a couple songs and whatever it's , you know I actually picked the guy up and we had about a half-hour drive to the practice place so I got a chance to get to really , you know . Know this guy a little bit more personally . You know , before we just dropped on our instruments to see it's like , you know , number one , are we going to even gel with this person before we even ? You know you might be a great guitar player , but if I don't like you , you don't like me , that makes no difference .

Speaker 2 5:26

Yeah , that was really cool of you .

Speaker 2 5:28

What's that ? I said that was really cool of you . That was a good way to kick it off . Oh yeah , and during the audition we did all those things that we suggested too . We made sure he's not like a raging alcoholic and didn't show up with a Jack you know guzzling a Jack Daniel bottle or you know doing lines on his amp or anything like that . So we kind of like you know , we talked about that , talked about you know directions and you know . So we did all those things that we had like suggested on previous episodes .

Speaker 1 5:57

Yeah , so I had a backup plan . If I you know this guy , if I saw him as being a total crazy lunatic or something , I was just going to kind of drive around the block , say , okay , you know , the storage place is right around the corner , hop out real quick , and I gotta hit . You know , I was just gonna fucking take off and leave him there . I mean , I had all this , all this shit with me , so he didn't know where I live . You know , it's like a good backup plan .

Speaker 2 6:16

But yeah , he turned out to be a pretty cool dude , so yeah , he did , yeah , and , like we said to each other , it's like , okay , he's worth another listen . So basically what that means is we've got another audition next week , cause you know what's . One of the things we talked about them with them was how are you , you know , playing with another guitarist ? I mean , are you cool with sharing leads , or so you know , we talked about all that too and , and hopefully this this next guy comes on board is just as cool and prepared , because this guy did show up . I mean , we gave a couple you know , song suggestions and he listened to them and he was pretty prepared . I thought .

Speaker 1 6:53

Yeah , I mean yeah , for just you know , like I said , some of the songs that we gave him were ones that most people don't , they don't randomly know . I mean they're , you know , I wouldn't say obscure songs , but they're , you know , I wouldn't say obscure songs , but they're , you know , from a band that's not real well known and it's definitely a song that's our style . So we want to see you know how he played that and yeah , for it being such a song that he's probably never heard of , he definitely pulled it off pretty good .

Speaker 2 7:17

I was pretty impressed yeah , actually first attempt through , we pretty much kind of nailed it , so I was , yeah , I was pretty happy at all for any I know so changes , or yeah , it was nice it was , it was a pleasant surprise yeah , so that just showed his dedication too . I mean he wanted to make sure , you know , he didn't show up and just like know the verse . I mean he pretty much knew the structure and I thought that was hella cool yeah , all right .

Speaker 1 7:42

So when we're talking about playing in front of the right crowd and making sure the right crowd is there , if you're playing at a bar , you never know who's going to walk in and you can't control that . But what you can control is the friends or family that you have come in that you said , hey , we're playing so-and-so this weekend . Have them bring friends of the like you know the same like , you know they you . You tell them it's like hey , we play stuff that's like black Sabbath or whatever kind of stuff you're playing . And you'll tell your friends like hey , you know , if you're going to mention this to your friends , make sure they're cool with that kind of music .

Speaker 2 8:20

And make sure they're cute . If you're going to bring them , you know , if they're females , if you're going to bring them , you know , if they're females .

Speaker 1 8:25

Yeah , I mean , all the guys in the band are definitely going to want some eye candy out in the crowd .

Speaker 2 8:29

Oh yeah , you know , same going .

Speaker 1 8:30

If you've got a female there , it's like you know they don't want to look to ugly guys there . It's like you know , bring your good-looking friends . But you know , make sure you just have a crowd that you can control that is coming to see what you play or the kind of style and genre that you're into , just so you don't have people walking out , like we mentioned before . You know , walking into a bar and getting something not what you expected , I mean , if I walked into a bar and saw something like rap , I'm not a big fan of rap , you know , sorry .

Speaker 2 8:58

Yeah , me either .

Speaker 1 8:58

Rap guys out there . But you know , first thing I would do is I would walk out and go find another bar that had something more to my style okay so try to try to control what you have coming in .

Speaker 1 9:09

You know to your , to your events , and you know you've got to promote your own stuff too . It's like you know . I know social media is a big thing now . Back in our day we did flyers and you know phone calls and you know more door-to-door stuff . Now you can do everything on social media and speaking of them . Yeah , let the social media , you know , do the same thing , say , hey , we played this like this , this style music .

Speaker 2 9:32

You know , come check us out at blah blah blah , you know , bring your friends and stuff , and speaking of which , yeah , speaking of which I mean , if you've already done a couple shows , make sure your first couple shows you've got somebody out there with a you know good iphone or some kind of recording device to get those recorded so you can get them on social media . Plus . I'm 90 sure that you know most bar owners gonna want to like see how you represent yourself on stage too . So yeah , so definitely get you know one of your two of your best songs and make sure there's somebody out there recording that shit for you yeah , you know , I mean nowadays iphones record stuff oh , I know , they're just as good as any recordings we were doing back in the day with .

Speaker 2 10:13

You know if I can reel the reel and tapes and all this old-fashioned shit that we used to do , but in mono hell , you can make a movie on iphone , so it's like you know yeah , all our old shit's like in mono , so it's it's hard to even like edit it to make it sound like halfway cool .

Speaker 1 10:30

Yeah you know those old cassettes , you know they start to wear out and yeah it's transferred before it's too late .

Speaker 1 10:35

You know you got that whole charlie brown sound thing coming out of it . Yeah , not a good thing , um , but yeah , like you said before , rob , you know you know bar owners they're gonna want to see . You know what have you said before , Rob . You know bar owners they're going to want to see . You know what have you done before . Where have

Stage Presence and Crowd Interaction

Speaker 1 10:48

you played ? You know , if you're just starting out , you know that's a tough one . You're going to have to actually physically go talk to bar owners yourself .

Speaker 2 10:55

Yeah , you got to sell yourself , yeah .

Speaker 1 10:57

You know , don't be one of those people that are , like you know , calling 20 , 30 different bar owners . Go see them personally , shake their hand and say hey , this is who I am , this is what I'm about . You know , we are just starting out , but here's a couple of clips from our first or second show that we've done .

Speaker 2 11:11

I mean , they'll respect that and they'll definitely appreciate that more than a phone call from somebody they don't know especially if you get a good shot of a big crowd out there , like you know , looking excited about what you're doing . That would be , you know .

Speaker 1 11:21

Yeah you know that'd be a good thing . You know , like I know we were going to say you know , mention today's , you know stage presence , you'll let let people know . In the crowd it's like , hey , we're recording some of the stuff for , uh , you know , for a media site and you know , let let the let the people that are there watching you good idea good idea . Let them go crazy for you , because that'll just help you promote yourself put a good clap .

Speaker 2 11:44

Uh sound effect in the background .

Speaker 1 11:46

No , I'm just kidding you know auto tune and all the other things . I'm not a huge fan if you can't play the sheet yourself .

Speaker 2 11:53

Don't play it exactly , exactly this is what I am and I you know .

Speaker 1 11:56

I know everybody's got their own different views on it , but it's like you know if you can't sing , then don't . Don't use a machine to help you sound like something you're not exactly .

Speaker 2 12:05

Exactly . Another big thing like what you were just talking about is like crowd interaction . I mean I've seen a lot of bands like back in the day I'd see these bands they like come into a club , do their little set and leave and never like even interact with the crowd whatsoever . I mean , to me that's just . I mean I know it was kind of like the attitude you kind of had to have . But in my opinion , I mean , when you're like taking a break in between sets or something like stroll around , say hey , how you doing you know , hey , you're liking the sound and you know shit , like that , because that not only gives you a good , you know feedback , but it's showing that you like care about the people that showed up and , plus , it can help you with your set list when you're redefining it . It's like you know what sounded good to you , what didn't you know . Give me your opinion . You know . Those kind of things are , you know help .

Speaker 1 12:54

Yeah , I mean you can still have the attitude and interact with the crowd . I mean , you know , I know back in the day , you know everybody talks about , you know the 80s and the 90s , but the 80s were more of a wild from what I see out there now . The 80s were definitely a fit the description of the sex drugs and rock and roll .

Speaker 1 13:14

I mean , you had your Motley Crue's and your Guns N' Roses , the artists that were very flamboyant and crazy . But that publicity not only helped them , but you know , the fans love that shit too . So it's like you know , you can still have the attitude and and and do all that , but still be cool to the crowds , and the crowds can be like wow , these guys are bad-asses , but they'll still come off the stage and talk to me , or say hey thanks for coming by and shit . I mean , it's like that goes a long way .

Speaker 2 13:43

No , it really does , really does . And speaking of stage presence , I mean I firmly believe in like , I mean put on a show , I mean like , for as a drummer , I , like you know , twirl my sticks , don't do exaggerated movements , you know , just make .

Speaker 1 13:58

Make it a show People want to just they don't have the energy , they're not going to show you the energy back yeah , I mean if you're standing there , you know , just doing your little thing , even if you're a good , good musician , if you're not emphasizing the energy that you're having on stage and stuff , the crowd's going to be like , okay , well , these guys are boring . Then you're going to find that first set . When you stop , come back in the second set , you're going to have half your crowd gone . Yeah , I'm a firm believer in even being a little bit older in age . Now , next time I get on stage I'm going to be running around .

Speaker 2 14:47

Oh , you always did . Anyway , man , you've always had really good stage presence .

Speaker 1 14:52

But yeah , it's like you said give them shows . The funny thing is me and my son , probably about a year ago , went and saw this band that I've never heard of , didn't know what to expect , by the name of Avatar . They're like from sweden or some somewhere like that um , kind of more on the death metal , but they were pretty melodic and they put on such a good show it was . I mean , I was even if I didn't like their music . I would have gone and see them again just for their show I mean , it was just , it was absolutely amazing .

Speaker 1 15:24

it was like you know , you were watching like a movie , not only with good music , but you were watching a presentation and it was . It was amazing . I mean , you know , I talk about this band other people now because of the show they put on , and normally I've never . If I were to just heard them on Spotify or something , I wouldn't talk so enthusiastically about this band , but because of the show that they put on I do .

Speaker 2 15:48

Yeah , that's the way I feel about one of my favorite bands , I mean performance-wise , it's Armored Saint . I mean I've seen tons of huge acts but they put on such a cool , flawless show . I mean I told everybody about it . It's like the best show I've ever seen is Armored Saint . Yeah , I'm a little jealous because our cousin just went and saw them a little while ago . Yeah , and they're still . They're still doing it , man , still rocking it man yeah , okay .

Speaker 1 16:13

So , speaking of cousins , I got something I want to throw out here real quick as we mentioned . We mentioned on our other show about our our cousin bruce , who's in well , the doom metal band trouble that's you know the pretty big name out there , especially overseas , but they , I just found out , are doing what is probably the coolest show ever .

Speaker 2 16:33

Oh , I just heard about that too .

Speaker 1 16:34

Did you see that ? I just saw it yesterday and I was telling Robin , my wife , about it . I was like I've got to go to this show , even though it's coming up and I can't afford it .

Metal Cruise Dreams and Shed Progress

Speaker 1 16:45

But next year that is my goal and it's called 70,000 Tons of Metal . It's basically a cruise ship for five days . They're going from Miami to , I think , Jamaica . Yeah , yeah . And they've got 64 or 65 metal bands playing nonstop for five days .

Speaker 2 17:01

Man , that's a lot of musicians .

Speaker 1 17:02

What the hell I mean ?

Speaker 2 17:05

that's like paradise right there . Oh yeah , that'd be hella cool . I would love to do that .

Speaker 1 17:13

So I got on the website and looked at it and these bands do just like what we said In between , when they're not playing and stuff , they're out there eating with the people that have bought tickets . Nice , I mean they are interacting with the crowd . I mean they're on a ship , they can't go anywhere , yeah , and they love doing it because it gets their name out a little bit more .

Speaker 2 17:29

Oh , my God , I would love to do that .

Speaker 1 17:32

Yeah , I mean , wouldn't that be ? That would just be awesome . But most of these bands there are some that are real big name , but most of them are just bands that are out there playing , that are really good and might not have the huge name and doing stadium shows , but have the huge name and doing stadium shows , but you know they're getting out there doing their shit with the crowd .

Speaker 2 17:49

Yeah , I wish we would have had our shit together sooner . Man , I've been cool to book that I couldn't even imagine . How they wouldn't even have to pay me .

Speaker 1 17:55

I mean , I do that shit for free it's like you know , he's put me on the cruise , feed me and I'm good oh yeah no shit , okay , so that was my throw out for the uncle .

Speaker 2 18:08

Cool , cool . Yeah , we definitely got to get him on this show . We haven't really tried to do that yet , but we definitely need to try and get him on the show .

Speaker 1 18:19

Oh , definitely .

Speaker 2 18:21

So , speaking of our progress , you threw it out there earlier that we're in a shed and kind of the reason we're doing that . We tried the house thing , but unfortunately both Dana and I live too close to neighbors and it's not really something we could do , so we ended up .

Speaker 1 18:38

We did try , though . Well , we did try , yeah .

Speaker 2 18:41

So what we ended up doing was we looked for the rehearsal spots , but there's none close to where we're at with the fees that we wanted to pay , so we ended up with a climate controlled . It's a good size shed , it's climate controlled and there's security and insurance and all that , so it's working out really well . And you would think , with being metal sheds , it would be a lot of ambient noise that you didn't want , but it's actually not too terrible , to tell you the truth .

Speaker 1 19:08

Yeah , I mean , you know we've done a couple things , you know hung up a couple blankets and I'd like to , you know , go a little bit step further and get some of the noise-blocking styrofoam stuff , and we'll do that . But yeah , it's a pretty good spot for right now .

Speaker 2 19:23

Yeah , so that's kind of like you know , we wanted to include our progress . That's kind of that's the way we're proceeding . So , like I said , every episode we'll update you and let you know how you're going , how it's going , like Dana said , we've already auditioned one guy . He's a pretty cool guy and we've invited him back . So next episode we'll let you know how it goes with the second guitar player and , uh , my personal goal is to be out there again by spring , because for me it's been too long . I mean , I haven't been on stage for a little bit now and got the it's been even longer for me , so I'm with you on that .

Speaker 1 19:56

I am , I'm excited to you know , not only get on stage again , but to have my son in the crowd , who's never seen me play live yeah , I mean me as well . Same same situation yeah , to me that would just be that , that's , that's a definite goal of mine , because before I die I want to play a live show , you know , in front of my son , oh , actually even my wife , I mean .

Speaker 1 20:16

So I got married after we were doing all that stuff . I mean sure she's seen videos and and heard stuff of us doing , but she's actually never seen me play live , you know , with , with the , the whole band .

Speaker 2 20:27

It'd be a whole new honeymoon after that , buddy . It'd be a whole new honeymoon after that after she sees the bass god that you are All right , man . Well , let's , do you know what ?

Speaker 1 20:41

we're talking about oh shit , is it that time ? Oh shit it is .

Speaker 2 20:44

Oh , it's that time . Special segment . This is where we talk about something that's either embarrassing or something bad , or something funny or just something that's happened to you while playing live . What do you ?

Speaker 1 20:59

got okay . Well , you know , mine kind of falls on that hoe um the sex , drugs and rock and roll of music , of what it was like in the 80s and 90s when we really started hitting our stride . This was before I got married , so my wife knows all about our escapades , so I'm not getting in any trouble for this .

Live Gig Contracts and Payment Negotiations

Speaker 1 21:22

This happened actually on our very first show that we played . I've got to go back . Our first show was actually without a singer we played .

Speaker 2 21:33

Oh , yeah , yeah .

Speaker 1 21:35

Yeah , we played a party , for it was a work party of a place that I was working at . He wanted to put on I think it was a Christmas party and Hooters , and he's like you're in a band . I kept saying , yeah , we're actually really good and really tight . We just haven't found the right singer yet . And he's like , well , you know we're throwing this Christmas party . Why don't you guys come out and play for a couple hours ? And I'm like , shit , cool , yeah , that'd be fun . So we did and , like I said this or before , I even met my wife and so , of course , you know , we got a lot of honeys out there in the crowd and you know we're playing , doing our stuff . And you know , a couple of them that I worked with were like God , you guys are awesome . I love this whole rock and roll thing . One of them just happened to really enjoy it and it's like you know that was hot and sexy and I want to go home with you .

Speaker 1 22:26

I'm like oh , hell yeah I love this rock and roll atmosphere . This is what I want to do . I mean , you know . So not only was I getting the the , the emotions from the crowd because everybody was loving it and , you know , getting the whole party atmosphere and they said everybody's clapping and loving it , and then , you know , had this sexy girl want to go home with me .

Speaker 2 22:50

It's like what a day . It was a perfect night perfect night . Oh , very cool , all right . Well , mine's kind of a scary one . Um . I don't know if you remember this or not , but we played this halloween gig , um , at a place where I actually had my wedding reception . I can't remember the name of the place it's on South Virginia , close to where we used to live , actually .

Speaker 1 23:11

Garfields .

Speaker 2 23:12

Yeah , exactly , I think it was called Garfields .

Speaker 2 23:15

Anyway , at this point we had been playing for a while , we had accumulated a lot of equipment . We used the U-Haul for shows . This particular show we had parked in the parking lot and all that . We went in , checked out you know what was going on with the club and all that and I and then kind of went back and kind of used it like as a backstage thing .

Speaker 2 23:37

We're kind of hanging out drinking beers and all that and then fucking locked my keys in the truck when we shut it and I had the key to the lock so I couldn't get back in to get our equipment and we had like a it was like a one of these things where a band played before us and so it was like a half an hour before we had to set up . So I'm thinking , oh fuck , what are we gonna do ? So I can't remember if one of the band guys drove to my house to get the key or if I called my wife at the time to bring the key , but but it was like I mean down to the wire getting our equipment out to go into play . Then I was like nervous as shit . It's like cause this was I mean , this was a pretty big show was put on by Z rock and it was a huge crowd . It's like , oh fuck . I just remember being so scared that we weren't going to be able to play on time .

Speaker 1 24:23

Oh shit , that is funny . I do remember that and I think it was your wife at the time that went and had to rush her . I think she was at home or on the way coming to the show and you're like you know , she turned around and yeah .

Speaker 2 24:37

Thank God I had the second key to that lock .

Speaker 1 24:40

Yes , I remember vaguely thinking like thinking there's no way we're going to get set up and be able to pull this off in time . We're going to be fashionably late .

Speaker 2 24:53

Okay , Dana , what's next ?

Speaker 1 24:56

Well , okay , so you've done a couple of shows and you're finding your groove as far as what you're going to do on stage now and how you want to present yourself . You've talked about how you guys are going to interact with each other on stage , and if one of you guys is running around , you want to make sure you're not smashing into each other . You're figuring out what you're doing as a group on stage so you look professional and not like you're a novice doing this .

Speaker 1 25:24

Right , cool not like you're a novice doing this , right cool , you know . So now that you're talking to bar owners and stuff , you know you should really have some sort of contract , or you know . I guess you can even do it on a phone now , because you know if you're recording it on a phone , but something , some kind of legal binding thing saying you know who's responsible for the equipment in case of a fire , you know , in case of theft or flood or any kind of crazy shit .

Speaker 1 25:49

It's like , who's responsible for that ? And , of course , pay . How are you getting paid ? Are you getting a percentage of the bar , like ?

Speaker 1 25:56

they used to do back in the day . I'm not sure if that's , are you charging people at the door to get in ? Are you going to get a percentage of that , or is that all yours , or are you just going to get a flat fee ? I mean , you know you don't want to find out afterwards where it's like okay , well , we kind of had a crowd , but not that much , so here you're getting 50 bucks where you're like yeah you know well , we discussed this .

Speaker 1 26:16

You know , you just want to make sure that there's no surprises when it comes to pay . I mean , you know , at this point , you know , I know a lot of guys are out there even paying or playing for free just to get their name out there . You know , just starting out .

Speaker 2 26:28

We've done that before as well . We've actually paid to play . You know , that used to be a thing too . I'm not going to do that again , but yeah , that used to be a thing .

Speaker 1 26:36

Yeah , I mean , I'm not opposed to going out there the first couple times and not expecting a whole lot of money .

Speaker 1 26:41

Oh yeah , of course , If you're good at what you're doing and you're bringing in a lot of people , you know you should get part of that . I mean , it's the bar owners . They're getting the money from the alcohol they're drinking or whatever type of place that you're in . So you know it's only fair you get it if you're . If they're busier than normal because of you being there , you should definitely get your cut . Oh yeah , exactly I like .

Speaker 2 27:02

I like the idea of having a set fee , just in case you know you do have the bad night .

Speaker 1 27:07

Nobody shows up and the percentage of the bar till people are staying at home because it's snowing or some kind of ?

Speaker 2 27:12

yeah , and you know , percentage of the bar till is always cool , doesn't that be huge , like you know , one or two percent , and then , uh , if you so decide to have a door person , you can include that as well , but if you have at least a minimum set fee , I I think that's the optimal way to go . Yeah .

Speaker 1 27:29

You know the couple of times that you know in the last couple of months that I've gone out and spent the small bars . You know most of these are acoustic sets or duels that are playing , you know , not full bands , but a lot of what I've noticed is going out there now and I'm seeing it even on some of the social media . Stuff I'm looking at is people are throwing out tip jars , which I don't know how I feel about that yeah , I'm not sure I feel about that either , but yeah , I I don't know if that's a good or bad thing , you know , for you guys that are out there doing it , please leave us a comment .

Speaker 1 27:58

Let let you let us know if it's working for you , what you think about it , because my personal thing is , you know , tip tip jar is like you're asking for handouts , because you suck .

Speaker 2 28:10

I mean , that's why , yeah , I agree , not necessarily that you suck , but it's just . Yeah , I don't agree with that either . Yeah .

Speaker 1 28:17

But I mean , if that's what's going on out there now people , please comment , tell us you know , because , like I said , this is kind of a whole new era right now and I know things are different in bars and stuff . So let us know what you're experiencing and how it's all happening out there .

Speaker 2 28:30

Yeah , like Dana said , please give us your feedback . I know we've asked this on every episode , but , like Dana said earlier , we do the whole thing here . We do the recording , the editing and the uploading it to the site that we use to publish it , and it's not only time-cons consuming but there's some costs involved , so any sponsorship or help would be highly appreciated . And also , like Dana said , you know , please give us your feedback . And then you know these other countries that are been listening . Please let us know . You know , kind of like what happens in your neck of the woods . And , speaking of Germany , we've got like 19 listeners there now , which isn't a huge amount , but I mean it just started . And uh , we're actually from Germany , our grandparents and mother from . I was trying to think of the name of the village , but I can't . We neither one of us could remember what it is .

Speaker 1 29:21

Yeah , our next episode . I'll try to dial that down and find out where that is , because I'm curious .

Speaker 2 29:25

Yeah , but it'd be cool to hear from you guys too , since you know we're from the same neck of the woods .

Speaker 1 29:32

Yeah you know , like I mentioned in the beginning , you know , I love the fact that we're in even other countries that you know . I never thought that . You know , like Pakistan , afghanistan , I mean some countries that I really didn't even figure on us somehow getting out there and we are . I mean , it's a great thing .

Speaker 2 29:50

It is it really is ?

Speaker 1 29:52

Please spread the word . If you're in one of these countries , let your friends and families and everybody know so we can grow in all these countries . I mean , if we've got to start doing some kind of foreign translation on these things , I mean we'll figure that out too .

Speaker 2 30:05

We will , we will , and please , like we said , please , you know , let us know what's going on here . If you want to be a guest , you know , shoot us your information . We'd love to hear from you . We really would .

Speaker 1 30:16

That's actually . You just reminded me . That's one thing I kind of want to throw out there . You know , with these next episodes coming up , I mean we'd love to hear from if there's any producers out there , sound engineers even if you're a sound guy for a local band , you know , give us , give us a holler Cause . We'd like to . You know , we'd like to get insights from some of your other professional people outside of just the musicians making the music . I mean there's a lot of stuff that goes on in the background that you know we'd love to hear from those people too . I mean , if you're a roadie for some big band , give us a call . We'd love to hear what , what your life is all about .

Speaker 2 30:52

And , like we said earlier , I mean we're we're basically starting this whole process over again , like probably a lot of you are , so any help we'd appreciate as well .

Speaker 1 31:01

Yeah , yeah , it's like I said before . We're we're just two , two brothers , you know , talking . Yeah , like I said before , we're just two brothers talking about music and trying to help all of you guys out there that are going through the same thing . So anytime you see or listen to our podcast , there's a little button up there that says support , please help us out . Or if you know anybody that's got some extra money hanging around , yeah , it's as little as $3 to be a sponsor .

Speaker 2 31:26

So , yep , help us out a sponsor . So , uh , yep , help us out yeah that would .

Speaker 1 31:30

That would help us put food on the table . I mean no , just kidding , but at least help us keep this podcast going , which you know we want to do for other musicians and you know we enjoy doing this and you know we love the fact that . You know we're in the thousands of downloads now , so there's people out there listening and you know we appreciate that oh , we sure , do we really ?

Speaker 1 31:48

really do spread this out to as many people as we can , and you want to help people and it's . You know it's a fun thing . We love talking about music , so you know , any kind of little money to help support us would be greatly appreciated we're not begging , just asking yeah not yet all right .

Speaker 2 32:03

Well , dana , in closing , what do you want to say to all these fine folks that are listening to us ?

Speaker 1 32:07

You know , fucking thank you so much just for tuning in . You know we do this about once every two weeks and you know I'm thinking at some point . You know we're going to make this even more , maybe even once a week . You know what ? Just thank you very much for you know we've been doing this I think it's three months now .

Speaker 2 32:24

Yeah .

Speaker 1 32:25

And it's gotten bigger sooner than I thought it would

New Year Podcast Update

Speaker 1 32:29

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Speaker 2 32:29

Me too . Me too , we appreciate it very much .

Speaker 1 32:32

Yeah , I'm just really energized about it and you know we've got a new year going and a lot of new material and new guests and stuff we want to throw at you and advice .

Speaker 2 32:40

I'm glad you said that we do have a couple of guests lined up .

Speaker 1 32:48

So you'll be hearing about those pretty quickly here too . Yeah yeah , good things in the works , and it's all thanks to you guys that are listening and helping out . We appreciate it .

Speaker 2 32:54

All right , everybody , keep rocking and keep listening and thank you very much and happy 2025 .

Speaker 1 33:01

Hell yeah , Bring in the new year listening to some good music .

Speaker 2 33:04

There you go , man . All right , you guys , bye Later .